Posted by Jean Chung on 05 October , 2002 at 20:43:41:
In Reply to: Henry and Elizabeth Frewin posted by Lawrence Frewin on 05 October , 2002 at 00:51:25:
Regarding Albert Frewin, I got the census dates mixed up slightly. According to you database he was in Aldenham St in 1881 and then Havelock Street in 1901. When I said that Aldenham Street was just around the corner from his parents, I was looking at the 1881. Having said that, I haven't changed my thinking since Havelock Street where he lived in 1901 isn't far from Bridgewater St/Aldenham Street so he still wasn't far from his parents.
My information about Albert is "live". Albert's full name is Albert Victor Frewin. He had 11 children two of which were showing on the 1901 census (Cecilia and Elizabeth (known as Betty).
I'm wondering if Harry and Henry could be brothers/cousins born a year apart?
The database shows Harry as being married to Elizabeth and having three children, Albert, Ada and Arthur. However that is in the 1881 census. Is he not around for the 1901 census?
Henry (my greatgrandfather) was married to Elizabeth and in 1901 had five children: Albert, Alfred, Florence, William, and Frederick. My belief is that Henry's wife, Elizabeth was a Stevens.
My information concerning Albert is from my cousin, Albert's granddaugher, and my mother, Albert's niece. My information about Henry comes from the fact that I know who my grandfather's siblings were and they were all living at Bridgewater Street in the 1901 census (except Albert) who was older and married.
You mention a namechange, do you mean by deed poll? Because Henry and Harry appear to have children of differing names, I can't think they are the same person.
A couple of questions: Do you have a 1901 address for Harry and Elizabeth (and possibly Arthur or a younger sibling)? I'm guessing Albert and Ada would be married and not living at home.
Do you have an 1881 address for Henry/Elizabeth and Albert? The other siblings weren't born until after 1881.
I'm really thinking that Henry and Harry are either brothers or cousins. It seems that year ago close relatives names their children after each other.
I've ordered a couple of certificates from the GRO and am expecting to receive them this week. Can't remember if Henry and Elizabeth's marraige certificate was one of them. Having said that, I'm pretty sure I ordered my grandfather's birth certificate so I will be able to verify a couple of names and will advise you when I receive them.
I'm guessing you are living in England, what part? I was born in the University College Hospital in Euston Road, St. Pancras.
All the best.
: > I noticed that the address shown in your database for
>Henry and Elizabeth in 1901 is incorrect. Henry and
>Elizabeth lived in Bridgewater Street (not Bridgeworth
Yes, you are right I think, I have had another look at the census image at very high resolution and it does look like Bridgewater Street, so I have changed that.
I was looking at the details of your Henry only this evening oddly enough, comparing the entries for Henry Frewin and for Harry Frewin
I am increasingly convinced that these two are one and the same person.
I am dealing with two other cases at the moment where Henry Frewin's seem to call themselves Harry. I don't know if this is usage is peculiar to Frewin's, or something that was quite common during that period.
If they are the same person, and you are related to Henry/Harry, then we are indirectly related as I am descended from Harry's father James.
> Albert, the eldest son is in the database. He was
> born in St. Pancras in 1876 and lived in
> Aldenham Street (which is one street away from
> his parents in Bridgewater Street
> (Bridgewater Street is now Bridgewater Way)).
> My grandfather is William Henry, the third son.
Hmm, I have only just read this. As Albert Frewin is descended from Harry Frewin according to our database you seem to be saying that Henry and Harry are the same person?
If you have a definite link between Albert, 1876 and Henry, can you let me know where you found it?
> By any chance would you have any other info on
> Henry, siblings/parents?
Everything I have is on the database, except perhaps for 3 bits of news...
1) If Henry is Harry (or related), then I may have found James Frewin, his father, on the 1881 census this evening (I stress may).
2) I have heard from the Berks Record Office earlier that there was a census of Newnham Murren, Oxfordshire in 1811, which is around the time James Frewin was arriving there I think. I should be getting a copy of that census within the next few days, so I will post what I find in the database.
Sadly the 1811 census for that area doesn't seem to stretch beyond Newnham Murren it seems. Berks record office don't have 1811 census records Ipsden, Wallingford or Crowmarsh for example.
3) I have also been speaking to one of the church wardens for the area of Crowmarsh about Newnham Murren because
it crops up so often in our line.
He said that there is NO Newnham Murren to speak of, no village at all, just Newnham Farm, a few farm buildings and a small church at the end of a track.
If I am right, I think you can see it in this map. The map also shows just how close Newnham, Crowmarsh Gifford and Wallingford are.
Newnham Church does apparently still open occasionally for services, and it is on my list of things to do to take a visit and see what the church is like.
I have nearly finished transcribing the 1881 census, when that is done I have some other stuff to do, then I may take a walk to the Family Records Centre and do the 1841 and 1861 census's.
Once they are done we should have a very good idea of the lines of most of the 19th Century Frewins, Frewens, Fruins and Fruens
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