Henry and Elizabeth Frewin


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Posted by Jean Chung on 07 October , 2002 at 19:54:03:

In Reply to: Henry and Elizabeth Frewin posted by Lawrence Frewin on 06 October , 2002 at 10:08:46:

Hello Lawrence,

Have been giving this a lot of thought.

First of all can I ask you about the baptism for "Harry".
(1) Did he have a middle name?
(2) Is there any chance that it could have ready "Henry"?

The reason for asking this second question is that I read a microfiche which was transcribed and the transcription said "Drury Frewin" and it was clearly "Henry". The names "Harry" and "Henry" are so close in spelling.

I see that Newnham Murren actually comes under Wallingford in the registation districts (Oxon).

As to the children, I guess I'm thinking the following possibilities:

1. It occurs to me that if Henry and Harry are one and the same, then since my Henry's second child wasn't born until after 1881 he wouldn't show in the census. As well, because Albert, Ada and Arthur were born prior to 1881, there's always the chance they they would have left home prior to the 1901 census. There's also the possbility that Ada and Arthur might have passed away young. They were only 1 and 3 in the 1881 census and children who passed away weren't mentioned back then. As well, there's a 20 years span between those censuses and the occupation for Harry/Henry could have changed in 20 years too.

Of course, this is pure speculation at this stage in the game but it's food for thought. I do think you are correct in saying that the 1891 might hold the key.

Hopefully those certificates will arrive quickly and give us some answers too. Will let you know as soon as I hear something.

Regards,

Jean

: Hello Jean,

I have had another look at this this morning, and it seems we may be confusing the Albert Frewins as well as the fathers.

These are the 1881 census Albert Frewins from Middx, 3 in total, 2 from the same family:


ALBERT 1:

Dwelling: 83A Aldenham Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0201 Folio 43 Page 23

Harry FREWIN aged 29, b. Berkshire, England, Occ: Cab Driver
Elizabeth FREWIN, aged 25 b. St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife
Albert FREWIN, aged 5, b. St Pancras, Middlesex, England, Rel: Son
Ada FREWIN, aged 3, b.St Pancras, Middlesex, England, Rel: Dau
Arthur FREWIN, aged 1, b. St Pancras, Middlesex, England, Rel: Son


ALBERT 2: (Two Alberts here)

Dwelling: 14 East St
Census Place: St Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0141 Folio 122 Page 59

Albert S. FREWIN, aged 41, b. Oxford, England Rel: Head Occ: Coachman
Isabella FREWIN, aged 36, Buckingham, England, Rel: Wife
Lizzie FREWIN, aged 14 b. London, Middlesex, Rel: Daur, Occ: Dressmaker
Albert FREWIN, aged 10, b, London, Middlesex, Rel: Son, Occ: Scholar
Harriet FREWIN, aged 7, b. London, Middlesex, Rel: Daur, Occ: Scholar
Alice FREWIN, aged 4, b. London, Middlesex, Rel: Daur, Occ: Scholar
Edith FREWIN, aged 2, b. London, Middlesex, Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar


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and these are the 1901 Alberts from Middx:


Name Age Where Born Administrative County Civil Parish Occupation
Albert Frewin 8M London Chelsea London Paddington
Albert Frewin 4 Kent Burham Kent Burham Entire
Albert Frewin 12 Shadwell E London London Shadwell
Albert Frewin 13 Middx Wood Green Middlesex Wood Green
Albert Frewin 15 Worcs Oldbury Worcester Warley Cartakers Hand Boy
Albert Frewin 19 Stoke Row Oxon Oxford Ipsden Faggot Maker
Albert Frewin 23 B: Henley, Lodging at 18 Tavistock Cres, Westbourne, Paddington. Occ: Carpenter
Albert Frewin 25 B: St Pancras, Res: Havelock St, Islington, Occ: Livery Stable Coachman
Albert Frewin 34 Kent Burham Kent Burham Entire Cement Worker


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The Albert Frewin aged 25 from 1901 is married to Cecilia, living in Havelock Street, Pancras. The children are Cecilia and Elizabeth. This is definitely your relative.

If your Albert isn't the same as the one born in Aldenham St, St Pancras to Harry in Pancras in the 1881 census, then he doesn't appear in the 1881 census at all by the look of it.

It looks like your Henry, his wife and son Albert are missing from the 1881 census, and that my Harry and his entire family are missing from the 1901 census.

We know that your Henry was in St Pancras by 1876 because your Albert was born there, but the only Henry Frewin in Middx for the 1881 census is this one:

Dwelling: 108 Tottenham Ct Rd
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0184 Folio 27 Page 47

Henry FREWIN, aged 15, b. Stratton, Cornwall, England, Occ: Drapers Apprentice

And that's not him.

More searching needed I think. This may be one that the 1891 census could sort out perhaps, or maybe your new docs will show something.


Lawrence




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