Posted by Jean Chung on 20 October , 2002 at 03:39:27:
In Reply to: Henry and Elizabeth Frewin posted by Lawrence Frewin on 09 October , 2002 at 05:33:09:
Incredibly busy week. Here's some info for you. As soon as I receive the birth certificate, I'll confirm Elizabeth's maiden name.
At the present time, I'll give you what I know for sure (word of mouth) and will follow-up with the rest when I can confirm things.
ALBERT VICTOR FREWIN (died 1951 - age 75)
Albert married Cecilia Timberley (died 1957 - 82 years)
Alfred married a Louise (?)
WILLIAM HENRY (my grandfather)
(born 1890) (died July 1953) (63 years)
William married Alice Wallace (died July 1982) (86 years)
Mary (my mum)
(Mary, George, Edward & Henry were born quads in 1924. Henry was stillborn and Edward died 10 days later).
FREDERICK married Ena (?)
(Frederick was known as Ginger)
(INFO ON THESE THREE STILL TO COME).
All the best for now.
: : Hello Lawrence,
> The 1891 Census reads as follows:
> 10 Bridgewater Street, St. Pancras
> Henry Frewin - Head - 39 Painters Labourer
> Elizabeth Wife - (36 or 37) there was a
>line through it
> Albert Son - 15 -Midland Railway Van
> Ada Daug - 13 - Cigarmaker
> Arthur Son - 11 - Scholar
> Alfred Son - 8 - Scholar
> William Son - 1
> Your 1881 Harry and my 1901 Henry are the same
> person. It looks like he was a cab driver when he
> was younger, changed to a painter's/ bricklayer's
> labourer in the housing boom and when he got older went > back to being a cab driver (probably because the manual > work got too much at an older age). I don't know what
> happend to Ada or Arthur yet but I do know what
> happened to the others.
Does that mean I finally win a bet in life?? Break out the Glenmorangie!
I think you said earlier that there were 11 children for Albert - can you fill me in with what happens for the next generation down from Henry/Harry as you understand it?
> Question for you. Do you have any documentation
> regarding Henry's marriage to Elizabeth or any birth
> information where her name shows up? I'm pretty sure
> it's Stevens. If you have, then I won't send off for
> the birth certificate for my grandfather. Thanks.
No, the only sources I have for both of these families (or this family of course) is the 1881 census and the 1901 census's.
I did run a search on Freebmd for Henry though.
Freebmd seemed to suggest that the only Henry marrying an Elizabeth in Middx was to an Elizabeth Stevens, but you can't call it evidence.
A couple of important things have come from this though:
1) We now know that Newnham in Oxon and Wallingford or Crowmarsh Gifford in Berks are virtually interchangeable.
2) There seems to be a tradition of Frewins calling themselves Harry as a nickname. This may be a more general Victorian thing, but I haven't heard of it before.
There are 25 separate entries for Harry's on our database, all within the period 1842 - 1900, but not one is a proven baptism of a Harold so far.
I will take a look at all of them again later to see if they are possibly similar cases of nicknames and perhaps add a note to the database where this is a possibility.
It does make me wonder if there is a link between the Henry/Harry above and the Arthur Henry Frewin who signed himself Harry that I mentioned yesterday too. We don't have any sign of a link yet, but the father of Albert Henry was from Henley.
It's been an interesting and worthwhile exercise though (and welcome to the family 10th cousin removed?!?)
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