Posted by Jean Chung on 08 October , 2002 at 06:31:40:
In Reply to: Henry and Elizabeth Frewin posted by Lawrence Frewin on 07 October , 2002 at 21:29:35:
I received the certificates this evening. Are you ready for this?
First, my grandfather, William Henry Frewin, I received a marriage certificate for him. It shows him being married in March 1916 and his father’s name as Henry Frewin, occupation "Cab Driver", somewhat confusing since the 1901 census states he is a Bricklayers labourer (you had mentioned a plumber but that's not correct either).
In the 1901 census it shows my grandfather living with his mum (Elizabeth – age 45, born Pancras) and his dad (Henry – age 49, born Wallingford). When I did a marriage search on Henry Frewin and Elizabeth ?, it came up with a few names but only one Elizabeth, Elizabeth Stevens, and they were married in St. Pancras. I don’t believe this is a coincidence.
I ordered a certificate for the marriage of Henry Frewin and Elizabeth Stevens. The certificate shows Henry's dad’s name as James Frewin, Bricklayer. Henry and Elizabeth married in Old St. Pancras in January 1871. Their ages are shown as “full” (unfortunately). One of their witnesses was a Flo Slingsby. Not sure if this was a coincidence by my grandmother's good friends were Slingsby's. Henry’s occupation at the time of his marriage is somewhat unclear but I believe it says “Porter”.
For your further information, Albert (the eldest son) was a cab driver when he got older. I think the only way to be sure is for me to order a birth certificate for my grandfather and confirm once and for all that Elizabeth Stevens was his mother. That’ll take another couple of weeks to come through but it will be worth the wait.
: Hello Jean,
> First of all can I ask you about the
> baptism for "Harry".
> (1) Did he have a middle name?
The transcription has just Harry, but see my answer to your next question
> (2) Is there any chance that it could have
> read "Henry"?
It's quite possible. The entry for Harry I have referred to is from an *LDS transcription* of
the 1881 census, NOT an image of the page itself.
It is quite possible that the census page shows Henry which the LDS transcriber has read wrongly.
> 1. It occurs to me that if Henry and Harry are one
> and the same, then since my Henry's second child
> wasn't born until after 1881 he wouldn't show in
> the census. As well, because Albert, Ada and
> Arthur were born prior to 1881, there's always
> the chance they they would have left home prior
> to the 1901 census. There's also the possbility
> that Ada and Arthur might have passed away young.
> They were only 1 and 3 in the 1881 census and
> children who passed away weren't mentioned back
> then. As well, there's a 20 years span between
> those censuses and the occupation for Harry/Henry
> could have changed in 20 years too.
Yes, I think your last point about the change of occupations is perhaps the most difficult
to reconcile though.
I would be surprised if there had been no work for a plumber in the biggest house building
period London has ever seen, sufficient for a person to change trades completely.
I can't imagine either that the income would have been better for cab drivers than plumbers.
They are both quite specialised trades, and the changeover, even today, would be very unusual.
I do have a case of Frewin calling himself Harry though:
Arthur Henry Frewin,
Born 1869 in Maidenhead, Berks.
Married Emma Hunter, 11 April 1898.
Signs the marriage record "Harry".
Source: Saint Mary, Henley Parish Records
There is some evidence to suggest that Arthur Henry's father, William
Henry Frewin, may have also called himself Harry too.
I admit that the evidence for a linkage between Harry and Henry is ragged
around the edges.
Fortunately though, this takes place in a period when there should be enough
evidence around to be able to nail it one way or the other.
My money is on them being the same person, but I ALWAYS lose bets, so that means
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